It is a long time since the winners of a Klassiker may not be sitting pretty at the top of the Bundesliga at the end of the game.
But even a ninth successive victory for Bayern Munich over Borussia Dortmund at Signal Iduna Park on Saturday may not be enough for the champions to be at the summit.
Bayern head into the first showdown with Dortmund this season in third place, level on points with Edin Terzic s fourth-place side as Union Berlin surprisingly lead the way ahead of Freiburg after eight matches.
It is the first time in 13 years that neither side have been in the top two when this fixture has kicked off.
Dortmund have already suffered three Bundesliga defeats this season, but they come into the game buoyed by a 4-1 Champions League victory at Sevilla.
Bayern hammered Viktoria Plzen in midweek after a 4-0 rout of Bayer Leverkusen, so there could be goals aplenty this weekend.
Stats Perform previews the 132st showdown between the two rivals in all competitions in the Bundesliga era by picking out some standout Opta data.
Dortmund desperate to end dismal Klassiker run
The last time Dortmund got the better of Bayern was back in August 2019, when they 2-0 winners in the German Super Cup.
Their two goalscorers in that game are no longer at the club, with Jadon Sancho at Manchester United and Paco Alcacer with Sharjah.
Dortmund have not beaten Bayern in the Bundesliga since winning a classic 3-2 in November 2018, Marco Reus – who is missing this weekend due to an ankle injury – claiming a double.
Only against Hamburg between 1982 and 1985 have Dortmund lost eight competitive games in a row, so another defeat this weekend would set an unwanted record.
Hummels could make timely return
Mats Hummels has missed the two games since the international break due to illness, but could return against his former club.
Nine of the 10 goals Dortmund have conceded in the Bundesliga this season have been when Hummels was not on the pitch.
They have shipped only goal in 512 minutes while the vastly experienced centre-back has been on the field, but let in one every 23 minutes without him.
Terzic said ahead of the match: We would be very happy if he were an option. It s a case of seeing how he feels and how his body reacts to the workload.
Sane and Musiala firing for free-scoring Bayern
Leroy Sane and Jamal Musiala have made great starts to the campaign for Julian Nagelsmann s side.
Sane endured a difficult start to life at Bayern after his move from Manchester City, but the winger has scored nine goals this season – four of those coming in the Champions League.
Only Gerd Muller has scored more than Musiala s five goals in eight matches at the start of a Bundesliga season as a teenager, the Bayern and Germany legend striking seven times at the start of the 1965-66 campaign.
5 – Bayern’s Jamal has scored five goals on the first eight matchdays – the only teenager to have scored more goals on the first eight matchdays of a season was Gerd Müller in 1965/66 (7). Magic.
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Falling behind may not be a problem for free-scoring champions
The importance of starting strongly is stressed so often, but Bayern may not be too concerned if they go behind.
That is because Dortmund are the only team this Bundesliga campaign to lose twice after leading in games (3-2 v Werder Bremen and 3-2 at Cologne).
Not that Bayern have been slow to get going, as they have scored 16 goals in the first half of Bundesliga games this season, with no other team scoring more than nine.
